OK, I have asked a lot of people what these are. Everyone except for one online friend says these are Ravens. Then there's Larry. Larry's been birding for I believe 50 years. He stands by the fact that they're a pair of Crows. I'm still in the process of trying to get a final answer, but I know that they're at least 20" long. I also know that we're for years had birds making this sound http:/​/​ibc.​hbw.​com/​ibc/​phtml/​votacio.​phtml?idVideo=16083&​Corvus_corax in our neighborhood. According to that site the sounds are those of a Raven. This is a common scene with this couple http:/​/​ibc.​hbw.​com/​ibc/​phtml/​votacio.​phtml?idVideo=19209&​Corvus_corax

So at this point I still don't know. Larry's very sure of his case. Until further notice I'll continue to get a firm measurement of these birds & leave it up to you to decide what you think they are.... Ravens or Crows - - for now, I'm done....

I write probably because I'm not sure.... This is one of two which are obviously a mated pair. They hang out together - - they're rather large (20" +) & seem to think our property is a pretty neat place to hang out.